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Sunshine - It may be as you say, we don't know, but the fact as of now is the voters voted, it passed.
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Roter...We don't know???? Don't include the rest of us with your ignorance. Here is a blurb from a comment on a blog prior to the election. How many CS residents voted yea for this PACKAGE because it had a skate park?
From the election info:
Proposition 4: Park improvements – $12,790,000 for park building improvements including Creekview Neighborhood Park, various other park needs, Lincoln Center addition of parking spaces, pavillion, backstop and an 8,000-10,000 sq ft extension, and Central Park Improvements. Also including more money for Lick Creek (see prop 1), a Skate Park (that would be cool), Est District Maintenance Shop replacement, Purchasing of neighborhood parks in advance of development and a nature center at Lick Creek.
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No offense to skaters but it is personal agendas that are ruining this city's finances and the councils reputation with their constituents
Maybe, but it seems to me like its the council members' personal agendas that are the overriding problem.
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Lone Stranger - What ignorance? Because the item was packaged with multiple other items we can't say for sure what people would have voted for and what they wouldn't have voted for as independent projects.
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It'll be just like the last one...
used a little, run down, and abandoned...
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Local Kids 1, Mybcs Whiners 0.
Awesome.
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It will be the most utilized park in College Station!
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What a waste of taxpayer dollars.
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Bigloco1, I'll say it again, the voter's approved it with the other parks projects. If it is a waste of taxpayers dollar, they did it to themselves.
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Local Kids 1, Mybcs Whiners 0.
because parents will gladly drop their teens off unsupervisd
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Rotor, you can say what you wish. I didn't vote for it, so, I can express my opinion if I wish. I don't have to agree with your views, okay!
Go and ride your skate board with your kid!
[This message has been edited by bigloco1 (edited 11/19/2009 7:30a).]
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I like all the "Rooks" on here who are bashing and saying it will be awesome.
I can not fathom why any of this would go forward considering the deficits the city already faces?!
Oh yeah, because the parks and rec. guy says "we can make it work"
I need that guy to come and plan my finances.
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I am not saying I'm for the skate park, especially not while people are looking for jobs and government should be trimming costs.
But for those who say if a skate park was a good idea then private business would have built one are making a somewhat irrelevant argument. There are many things that may benefit a community, but would not be done by the private sector because of "free riding" and other factors that would limit the profitability of the venture. I don't think many arguing against skate parks would rather Yellowstone be developed into condos (although some may). The point should not be whether the skate park would generate financial profits, but whether the cost of building it outweighs the benefits to the community. The cost is financial, the benefits need not be.
Pretty much all city parks fit this theoretical model, but for some reason a skate park seems a bit more offensive - maybe b/c it exclusively serves what appears to be a very small portion of the community. If they built a "skate park" with multiple uses, then maybe more support could be garnered.
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"Local Kids 1, Mybcs Whiners 0.
Awesome."
BWAAAHAAHAAHAAHAAHAAA!!! That pretty much sums it up.
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Late to this thread but if we had a rifle range, with a bow section, that would be something I definitely would use (I know allot of people who would also use this at least weekly)
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Hey, all I am saying is blind action without thought to cost or consequensces is wrong.
This needs to be justified by more than those shouting "Where is my skate park??"
It needs to be paid for, where is that money coming from?
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My concern is that most of the people at the meeting requesting the skate park were not from CS, but from the surrounding area including Navasota and Caldwell. Additionally, they do not have a mechanism to handle the upkeep and maintenance of this facility (other than general revenue). But they are charging the soccer, baseball, softball and flag football programs a redevelopment fee for the use of those fields. They need to pay their way like the rest. (resident & nonresident)
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We should form skate boot camps so the City can charge a fee!
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Actually I think we should treat all people the same. It's the inconsistancy that is troublesome. Except for those over 65 and paying their property taxes.
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You can see my other VOTE NO post over on the Convention Center thread.
But I vote NO.
You want a skate park. YOU buy the land and build one.
Don't charge me for YOUR parks.....
What happened to kids doing normal things, like football, baseball, basketball, volleyball, soccer, hunting and fishing ?
Anyone ?
Maybe I should run for city council. "VOTE YES for me so I can VOTE NO for you !"
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it would be fun to combine a skate park with paintball...
I know I'd use it...
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This seems like a good candidate for another citizens' initiative - something along the lines of, "The expenditure of funds raised from taxes for construction of a skate park is prohibited."
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Why not laser tag/paintball/rifelry/skeet/bow skating range that is enclosed! :p
[This message has been edited by SparkyDClown (edited 11/20/2009 12:24p).]
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Don't charge me for YOUR parks.....
What happened to kids doing normal things, like football, baseball, basketball, volleyball, soccer, hunting and fishing ?
What you seem to have a problem with is that you feel skateboarding is not a NORMAL activity. But using your own argument, if YOU want a football, baseball, soccer field, YOU buy your own land and build YOUR own fields. Don't charge ME for those things that MY family will not use, which we DON'T.
I personally don't feel that way. But then I'm not a jerk. Kids need all kinds of different things to do. Not everyone including both adults and children in this town enjoy ONLY tradition sports.
So why should there just be parks for those people that do? Because they are the majority? Well thats how the vote went for the funds for the skatepark. More people voted yes than no. And really that money is not YOURS, it is OURS. And I have no problems sharing it with everyone else. Even if I might disagree with how it is spent sometimes.
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See how America has changed? In a free and productive society, kids would have already saved their allowance for some wood and nails and concrete to build their ramps and they would already be skating and grinding to their heart's fullest content. Instead, they are taught to use the state to get what they want, modeling the so-called adults in society - How can one have health care, or save the environment, or build a park? Oh, of course one must use the state to do that. The government will solve the problem! One can forget about actually producing something, and instead just use the force of the state to take what one wants from everyone else. quote:
How to Identify Legal Plunder
But how is this legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime.
Then abolish this law without delay, for it is not only an evil itself, but also it is a fertile source for further evils because it invites reprisals. If such a law -- which may be an isolated case -- is not abolished immediately, it will spread, multiply, and develop into a system.
The person who profits from this law will complain bitterly, defending his acquired rights. He will claim that the state is obligated to protect and encourage his particular industry; that this procedure enriches the state because the protected industry is thus able to spend more and to pay higher wages to the poor workingmen.
Do not listen to this sophistry by vested interests. The acceptance of these arguments will build legal plunder into a whole system. In fact, this has already occurred. The present-day delusion is an attempt to enrich everyone at the expense of everyone else; to make plunder universal under the pretense of organizing it.
First, those who are agitating for the park will go on and on about the public good, and about "the children". If you're against building a skate park, then you are an anti-skater. You are obviously some bigot who prefers football or basketball over skating. You are discriminating against skateboarders. How narrow-minded, inconsiderate, and politically incorrect of you! These kids worked really hard to petition the state to take your wealth. Second, those who do not want the park will also complain, and rightfully so, because they know even if they may not notice that slight raise in their taxes from day to day, the burden is endlessly increasing. It's just one thing, after another, and another. Taxes discourage production. Why should one continue to work hard and be productive, when one's livelihood is being taken by those who do not? Don't you think CoCS, and the rest of politicians, are mostly a bunch of dummies (at best)? Then why do you continue to pay your taxes in tribute to them, and then who's the dummy? Oh, right, they have all the guns. If a service is not payed for voluntarily, it is not a service. Taxation is theft. Does anyone really think that any service should be provided at the barrel of a gun?
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The citizens of College Station voted to fund the skateboard park. You are unhappy with it. Dandy. Then see about repealing the funding. Let's see if you can do all the legwork required to defund the park. Wait, that's too much work? It wasn't too much work for the two middle school students who made every effort for two years prior to the election to ensure that the citizens got a chance to decide whether or not this community wanted such a park here. They attended all the meetings, talked to folks in the community, got signed petitions, held their own meetings, etc. The government listened, then gave you and me and everyone else on this forum in College Station the chance to vote, and it passed. Your time for bellyaching is over, chief. You shoulda been launching the warships against it 14 months ago.
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